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Cardinal Müller Attacks FSSPX and Roman Curia

Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller spoke to kath.net on May 26 about the episcopal consecrations on July 1 by the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X. Main quotes..

No sympathy for the FSSPX

“They understand themselves as an emergency community that will remain at a distance until the millions of Catholics who have fallen into Modernism, thousands of bishops and priests, and the current Pope return to the Church which the Society of St. Pius X preserves as the holy remnant of the one true Catholic Church.”

Can the Entire Church Have Fallen Into Error?

“From a purely human and theological perspective, it cannot be the case that the two thousand bishops and all the popes who have gathered at the Council have been mistaken on dogmatic issues or have deviated from the apostolic tradition, with the exception of a single bishop who, through illegal episcopal ordinations alone, ensures the Church’s continued existence”

No one has a right to become a bishop

“Nobody has a claim to episcopal consecration, which belongs to the Church and not to individual groups, in order to guarantee the survival of their humanly constructed organization.”

Unauthorized consecrations are only justified under persecution

“Only in a condition of extreme persecution, when contact with the universal Church and with Rome is completely impossible, would the consecration of a bishop be morally justified before God.”

Accusation of Pride

“The Pope will always go to the limits of possibility in preserving or restoring unity, while those who have gone astray, in their spiritual arrogance, use this as an opportunity to impose conditions.”

Officials in the Roman Curia “authoritarian hardliners”

“On both sides—and, unfortunately, also among the authoritarian agitators in the Roman dicastery for liturgical affairs—the theological distinction between the substance of the sacraments and their various liturgical forms is not properly appreciated.”

'Traditionis custodes' dogmatically untenable

“Merely suppressing the old rite through disciplinary measures and generally suspecting its adherents of denying the Second Vatican Council is not only pastorally questionable but also dogmatically untenable.”

“Not a Supporter of the Roman Rite”

“I myself have considered the restriction on the celebration of Mass in the old rite to be very unwise from a pastoral standpoint, not because I am a supporter of the old liturgy myself, but because as a Catholic—and especially as a theologian—one must also acknowledge the spiritual richness of the older rite, and there is no right to haughtily set oneself above one’s friends.

Athanasius comparison against the FSSPX

“An Athanasius or an Augustine did not distance themselves from the Church as long as Arianism and Donatism had not yet been definitively overcome.”

Comparing FSSPX to Martin Luther

“The Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X would have to explain the difference between its own position and Luther’s statement during the Leipzig Disputation: ‘Even councils can err!’”

On homosex „blessings“

“All orthodox Catholics rightly say that the supposed blessings of homosex couples or couples living in other irregular relationships are objectively sinful.”

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Sally Dorman shares this

Here is the German Cardinal everyone told me was Traditional and “based”

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The axe could see fall on the Society of St. Pius X and the Transalpine Redemptorists since they cannot accept fast enough new information and show Cardinal Fernandez that with the Creeds, Councils and catechisms interpreted irrationally and unetyhically7, he is public and official schism. Canonically, he cannot be a prefect, a cardinal or offer Holy Mass.
There is enough material on line which show that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance interpreted as physically invisible or visible cases can change the conclusion of the Council. Once conclusion would be traditional and the other schismatic.
The whole Church is choosing the LG 14, G 16 visible interpretation of Vatican Council I. This includes Cardinal Gerhardt Muller, who has asked how can the whole Church we wrong.
In an interview, he has not stated that he and all the bishops and cardinal, are politically correct with the left when they have chosen to interpret Vatican Council Irrationally with the LG 16 visible false premise . to produce a liberal and schismatic conclusion then pretend it is magisterial, apostolic and the deposit of the faith.
Enough of the vague’ conspiracy’ and ‘infiltration’ charges, We now have identified a specific cause of the general liberalism and it is Vatican Council Ii irrational, interpreted with the Fake Premise by Taylor Marshall, Michael Matt, John Henry Weston and the pope and the college of cardinals. With the LG 16 visible error, there is no liberal-conservative division but general, heresy and schism. It is political, convenient and comorfrtable.
In his Declaration of Faith, Fr. Davide Pagliarabni has said that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation but he has not clarified if LG 14 and LG 16 refer to invisible or visible cases.
When what is invisible is seen just being invisible I call it Feeneyism. When what is invisible is confused as being visible I call it Cushingism.
The SSPX website criticizes Fr. Leonard Feneeyof Boston on the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible. For the priest and the St. Benedict Center, they were Feneeyite on BOD and I.I For the priest the baptism of desire was physically invisible. And for them an invisible case. So the SSOX is as heretical and schismatic on EENS, BOD and I.I as Cardinal Fernandez and Pope and >Cardinal Muller.
Karl Rahner rejected the dogma extra ecclesiasm nulla salus (EENS) in his book The Christian of the Future, with his Lumen Gentium 16 visible false premise. He then called EENS ‘triumphalism’. Even Fr. Pagliarani and the Transalpine redempotrists support Rahner on t with the LG 16 error at the Latin Mass.
With the LG 16 error even Bishop Robert Barron is aligned with Fr. Davide Pagliarani. With the LG 16 visible premise, Bishop Barron could tell Ben Shapiro that as a Jew he did not need to convert. He meant LG 16 was an exception for the dogma EENS. The exception makes the rule for him. The exception also comes for him by confusing what is implicit as being explicit and then concluding that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition.
O the SSPX are unable to respond to my reports. They do not have a doctrinal position, for or against, on specific points. They speak of Tradition, but in a general vague way since they are not traditional with Vatican Council II, rational, Vatican Council II, Feeneyite.

-Lionel Andrades
Writer on Vatican Council II irrational and rational, Cushingite and Feeneyite. The Creeds interpreted rationally with the LG 16 invisible premise or irrationally with the LG 16 visible premise. The Catechism interpreted with the hermeneutic of continuity or discontinuity depending upon the premise, inference which decides the conclusion. Pope Leo and the SSPX both being Cushingite on Magisterial Documents. This is not apostolic. The error has to be corrected. Sedevacantism is now obsolete since the Council, Creeds and Catrechisms can be interpreted only rationally, morally. So we have a yard stick to measure orthodoxy, which is specific and precise and not vague.

SonoftheChurch

Müller is full of 💩

CatMuse

Can the Entire Church Have Fallen Into Error?
Cardinal Mueller errors in considering the entire Church to be represented by a few thousand Bishops in 1960. The entire Church consists of the Church militant, suffering and triumphant. It consists of all the faithful members over 2000 years.

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The cardinal is sending a coded message. Read it from the last point backwards to understand what he believes:
“All orthodox Catholics rightly say that the supposed blessings of homosex couples or couples living in other irregular relationships are objectively sinful.”
So he is saying, the Pope, the Curia, and the vast majority of bishops are not orthodox. The SSPX and a minority of bishops are the remaining orthodox.
“The Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X would have to explain the difference between its own position and Luther’s statement during the Leipzig Disputation: ‘Even councils can err!’”
The SSPX agrees with Pope John XXIII and Paul VI. The council was pastoral and made no dogmatic definitions. The disagreement is that the Pope, Curia and most of the bishops think that Vatican II overrode the dogmatic definitions of all prior councils – i.e. those prior councils had erred. It is only the SSPX who holds that the prior councils and pre Vatican II popes did not err.
“An Athanasius or an Augustine did not distance themselves from the Church as long as Arianism and Donatism had not yet been definitively overcome.”
Precisely, the SSPX does not exclude the Pope from the Cannon or claim the See of Peter is vacant because they see hope, the same hope held by the minority of bishops and many faithful despite the declarations to the contrary by the Pope, Curia and most bishops.
“I myself have considered the restriction on the celebration of Mass in the old rite to be very unwise from a pastoral standpoint, not because I am a supporter of the old liturgy myself, but because as a Catholic—and especially as a theologian—one must also acknowledge the spiritual richness of the older rite, and there is no right to haughtily set oneself above one’s friends."
Here Cardinal Muller states his agreement with the SSPX and the Council of Trent “If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church… [can be] changed, by any pastor of the churches, into other new ones; let him be anathema.” The Cardinal couches the statement as “unwise” and for “pastoral” reasons. Trent states such changes result in “anathema”, i.e. excommunication, for even saying that change was possible.
“Merely suppressing the old rite through disciplinary measures and generally suspecting its adherents of denying the Second Vatican Council is not only pastorally questionable but also dogmatically untenable.”
Again, the same position which the SSPX takes.
“On both sides—and, unfortunately, also among the authoritarian agitators in the Roman dicastery for liturgical affairs—the theological distinction between the substance of the sacraments and their various liturgical forms is not properly appreciated.”
This goes beyond any of the SSPX statements. The SSPX spokespeople are very carful to not call the Pope, the members of the Curia and the bishops ignorant and ill-educated. That is precisely what the Cardinal does here.
“The Pope will always go to the limits of possibility in preserving or restoring unity, while those who have gone astray, in their spiritual arrogance, use this as an opportunity to impose conditions.”
It seems the Cardinal is putting a distance between Tucho Fernandez’s threats and Leo’s silence. The assertion is that such treats will be vacated by Leo when the time comes. Or, perhaps he is advising Leo to do so.
“Only in a condition of extreme persecution, when contact with the universal Church and with Rome is completely impossible, would the consecration of a bishop be morally justified before God.”
The threat of excommunication is indeed persecution, arguably of the worst kind (“fear not him who can kill the body…”). Cardinal Muller is stating, given the context of the other statements, that the SSPX is justified in consecrating bishops.
“Nobody has a claim to episcopal consecration, which belongs to the Church and not to individual groups, in order to guarantee the survival of their humanly constructed organization.”
Here the Cardinal is confirming what the SSPX has said since 1988. Bishops are needed to preserve for the benefit of the whole church the faith held by everywhere and all time, until the mis-use of the pastoral Vatican Council II.
“From a purely human and theological perspective, it cannot be the case that the two thousand bishops and all the popes who have gathered at the Council have been mistaken on dogmatic issues or have deviated from the apostolic tradition, with the exception of a single bishop who, through illegal episcopal ordinations alone, ensures the Church’s continued existence”
This is one of the most clever statements in the excerpts provided. Both Popes of the Council said the council was pastoral only, that the council made no dogmatic definitions. As such, the presence of 2,000 bishops and to whatever extent the 2,000 bishops approved Vatican II documents, had nothing to do with any dogmatic issues.
“They understand themselves as an emergency community that will remain at a distance until the millions of Catholics who have fallen into Modernism, thousands of bishops and priests, and the current Pope return to the Church which the Society of St. Pius X preserves as the holy remnant of the one true Catholic Church.”
It is the first excerpt which summarizes his solidarity with the SSPX. He accurately describes what the SSPX sees as their role, as caretakers anxiously awaiting the return of the Pope, Curia and Bishops to the One True Catholic Church.

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V.R.S.

The coded message is:
TURKEY DROWNED IN WATER. WHERE ARE I RPT WHERE ARE VATICAN II DEFENDERS THE WORLD WONDERS.

Jan Joseph

Voor kardinaal Müller is de organisatie van de Rooms Katholieke kerk belangrijker dan het geloof. Kardinaal Müller weet dat de Pius X broederschap op basis van de inhoud van het geloof gelijk heeft, maar kan de Paus in Rome, zijn grote baas, niet afvallen. Maar het heeft geen zin meer hierover te discussiëren, de sterk veranderende en vrijzinnige geloofsovertuiging van de Rooms Katholieke kerk heeft geen enkele relatie meer met het

K K

He is one sweet example of a scribe and pharisee.

Irishpol

The sophomoric arguments Cardinal Mueller raises against the FSSPX are so obviously specious they could only be intended to assure Conciliar Catholics that the false religion they follow must be true. Indeed, he is well aware that each one could easily knocked down by a first year faithful Catholic seminarian. Why he and the Conciliar religion believe it is necessary to shore up the Conciliar laity (and likely more than a handful of Conciliar clerics) at this time is quite revealing.
At least one reason is because they are now recognizing that the forthcoming “excommunications” of the FSSPX bishops are not only meaningless from a theological perspective, they will be viewed as meaningless by many currently outside the FSSPX. They are well aware that virtually no one supportive of the FSSPX will be bothered by the unwarranted excommunications, and that many outside the Society will start to recognize that their bishops and priests of the FSSPX are members of the only spiritual organization that continues to faithful adhere to all the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church.

jose g rodriguez

Poor Gerhard L. Muller, he is a victim of diabolical disorientation.

Mike the Pike

Cardinal Müller might be playing politics, which adds confusion to the current confusion of the laity. He certainly is not advocating Catholic dogma. 'Traditionis custodes' dogmatically untenable. YES! Why isn't Cardinal Müller constantly calling this out?

V.R.S.

No, he is not. He is just defending "Vatican II" revolution at all costs. SSPX is threatening it so must be eliminated. It is a logical approach Muller has been implementing for years.

john333

Days of being relativistic with faith is over the homo mafia death grip on the Priesthood with it modernistic theology and gas lighting the faithful is over. Vatican II was a work of the Homo cabal masquerading as Bishops
The Seminaries weeded out good men with help of secret societies made them into a cesspool.

There are far more important things to attack other than the SSPX.

giveusthisday

Has he not seen with his own eyes the work of the masons within the Church? Has he not seen the rampant sins of the flesh which the Blessed Virgin said would lead many to hell? Has he not seen the efforts of many theologians to blend Catholicism with pagan religions, and religions frankly opposed to Catholicism? Has he not seen the former Pope even questioning dogma such as the dogma of heaven and hell? If there is no hell, there is no heaven, if there is no hell, there is no sin...

V.R.S.

For guys like Mueller there is no more important thing than defending "Vatican II". So he acts accordingly.