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Greek Catholic Uniates in Hungary Removed the Filioque in September

Since 1 September 2025, the Greek Catholic Church in Hungary has omitted the 'Filioque' from the Creed during the Divine Liturgy.

This decision to abandon a Catholic tenet in order to appease the schismatic Orthodox was announced on Hd.gorogKatolikus.hu.

The article argues that, in recent decades, Pope John Paul II prayed with Orthodox patriarchs, omitting the 'Filioque'. It claims that this change is not an innovation, but a return to a text prayed by ancestors.

The current version states that the "Holy Spirit [...] proceeds from the Father". However, this can easily be misunderstood. According to the Western Church, the Holy Spirit proceeds "from the Father and the Son". The Eastern fathers said, what is also legitimately formulated, that he proceeds "from the Father through the Son".

However, the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Father alone.

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Urget Nos

The original form of the Creed does not have the Filioque. Just a reminder - the Creed that is recited as the Nicaean Creed is actually the Nicaean-Constantinopolitan Creed. It was formulated at the 1st General Council in Nicaea in the year 325 and then updated to the modern usage at the 2nd General Council known as 1st Constantinople in the year 381. Look up both versions - they are very different from each other.
The 381 Creed can be read in full here in English translation: CHURCH FATHERS: First Council of Constantinople … You will notice that it is very familiar, but in the original form it does not have the Filioque (proceeds from the Son).
Do a double take on that. Common Roman Catholic thought these days is that the Filioque is necessary. But including the Filioque is not what the General Council (which was an authoritative body of the assembled Church in a decision in union with the Pope of Rome) established.
Remember from our Church history that the first use of the Filioque began to come slowly into usage in Spain a couple hundred years later. It is a Western addition, and it was not universally adopted for the next 400 years.
To call the Creed without the Filioque 'heresy' is to call all of the bishops, West and East, in 381 heretics. That isn't someplace that we want to go, because the Holy Spirit is the author of the Magesterium.

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Denis Efimov

If you read the original of their declaration, you will see that its general tone, and the references they cite from Holy Scripture, indicate that they disagree with the dogma itself, and not just with its insertion into the Creed.

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V.R.S.

"the Creed that is recited as the Nicaean Creed is actually the Nicaean-Constantinopolitan Creed. It was formulated at the 1st General Council in Nicaea in the year 325 and then updated to the modern usage at the 2nd General Council known as 1st Constantinople in the year 381"
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Actually, there is no such Creed in the Acts of the 1st Constantinople - so feel free to act like these schismatics who question the Filioque and go full Nicene i.e. WE believe in the Holy Ghost. Period.
Or go straight to the stage of the Apostles' Creed and like Arians and semi-arians of the 4th century reject the Nicene "innovations".

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foward

@Urget Nos Three synods of Toledo (400, 447, 589) approved the Creed stating that the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son.” It was ordered to be sung in the liturgy, becoming standard in the Mozarabic rite. From there it spread into Gallican liturgy. In 809, Charlemagne convened a synod in Aachen, Germany where theologians—especially Theodulf of Orléans—defended the Filioque as an integral part of the Christian faith.
Rome had the same doctrine but did not pray the Creed during Mass at all. In 1014, Emperor Henry II came to Rome to be crowned and was surprised that no Creed was sung at Mass there. Therefore, Pope Benedict VIII introduced the Nicene Creed with the Filioque into the Roman liturgy.
The theology behind the Filioque
The Filioque remains the necessary and fitting expression of the inner relationship of the Holy Trinity: the Son receives the entire divine essence from the Father, including the Father’s eternal spiration of the Holy Spirit.
Christ indicated this in John 16, stating that the Spirit “will take from what is Mine.”

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Urget Nos

'Forward' - that was a very thoughtful response and full of facts. I appreciate it. Urget nos

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foward

This sounds like Arianism.
Filioque is Catholic teaching. Period.

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foward

So is.

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Denis Efimov

Pope Pius X taught that the Filioque is a dogma. This means they are heretics. And Leo XIV made this dogma "subject to dialogue." Well, it's a conciliar church, so what's surprising about that? The Catholic Church is being occupied by enemies.

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petrus100452

@Denis Efimov I believe that the Filioque belongs to the Catholic faith. But I have never heard that Pius X taught that it is a dogma. What is the source of that claim?

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Denis Efimov

@petrus100452
"Nimirum ibi non minus temere quam falso huic opinioni fit aditus, dogma de processione Spiritus Sancti a Filio haudquaquam ex ipsis Evangelii, verbis profluere, aut antiquorum Patrum fide comprobari" (Pope Pius X, "Ex quo, nono", December 26, 1910).

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P. O'B

The Ukrainian Catholics in America did that more than a decade ago.

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Ivan Tomas

Sooo, ... and a decade of so later there are almost two million slaughtered Ukrainians and whole country and its people are being destroyed.

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