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Does Francis Want to Strengthen the Society of Saint Pius X?

If Francis were to restrict the Roman Mass, this would be an “abuse of power,” Bishop Schneider told @CatholicHack in a July 9 video interview.

Forcing priests to preside the New Rite would be for Schneider a "violation of spirituality." He doesn’t believe Benedict XVI's claim that the Roman Mass [which is of apostolic origin] and the 1970 New Rite are “two forms” of the same rite [otherwise the New Rite would not have been called "new"]. Schneider calls them “two different rites" because there are "big differences."

He explains that concelebration was never considered as a requirement to show "unity." Thus, Oriental Churches were never asked to concelebrate for such a purpose. An obligation to concelebrate would “contradict the entire history of the Church and the law of the liturgy,” Schneider says.

According to him, forcing the Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP) to co-preside in the New Rite would lead some of its members to join the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) which was founded by “a holy man, a man of God.”

Because Benedict XVI lifted the excommunication of the PiusX bishops, and Francis granted PiusX priests the faculty to hear confession, it is "difficult" for Schneider to say that these priests are "outside of the Church or schismatics" since they possess ordinary faculties to hear confessions "given by the Pope himself."

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HerzMariae

Maybe Francis tries to consolidate all trads into one umbrella group so he can control them that way.

Ultraviolet

That's the sort of truly devious thinking we, the laity, could expect from The Church's first Jesuit Pope. The good news (and there is good news) is he could never, ever accomplish that. Various trad groups are as separate (and if we're being honest, antithetical) to each other as they are to the Novus Ordo and modernists in general.
Just look at the various "big Catholic blogs" and the unbelievably vicious fights they have among themselves. That's just the laity. Traditionalist priests have a "siege" mentality that far surpasses that. Most priests would, out of a very self-conscious effort to show Catholic charity, refrain that sort of abusive mud-slinging (at least publicly) but they would be blunt in stating that other trad groups (whichever they may be) don't share their ideology and thus they want nothing to do with them.
In general, the SSPX looks at the FSSP as traitors. Unofficially, from what I've seen, the FSSP disdainfully looks at their SSPX "ancestors" in very much the same manner charitable Catholics look at Jews...close to the truth but stubborn in their ignorance and, in practicing ideology, outside The Church with all that entails.
Pope Francis would have an easier time herding an animal shelter's worth of cats stoned on LSD than he would consolidating traditionalists. About the only single thing they agree upon is that the current pontiff is a horrible, horrible person.

stjoseph2

Apparently ultraviolet is a modernist that likes hanging out in traditional circles. 😂

Ultraviolet

Apparently you're as ignorant as you are crass. I'm more of a traditionalist than the SSPX and their whiney fan-boys.

stjoseph2

I would say that you are more of an oxymoron more than anything else. You are using a V2 document to discredit a traditional order that does not subscribe V2. Please provide a pre-V2 example of condemning traditional priests for holding to traditional Catholic teachings and not going with the freemasonic changes of V2.

Ultraviolet

"it is "difficult" for Schneider to say that these priests are "outside of the Church or schismatics. Yet it's easy to say by quoting The Catholic Church verbatim.
The Vatican decree "Unitatis Redintegratio" stated, "large communities came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church. ...Men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect."
...an imperfect communion is, by definition, not full. :D
Saint John Paul II stated in his Apostolic Letter "Ecclesia Dei" that Abp. Lefebvre "frustrated all the efforts made during the previous years to ensure the full communion with the Church."
Obviously, The Pope who excommunicated Lefebvre understood the disctintion between "full communion with the Church" and the inverse.;-)
So did Pope Benedict XVI. ;-) in his motu proprio "Ecclesiae Unitate" he invited "the Bishops and the 'Society of St Pius X' to rediscover the path to full communion with the Church." Notice: he invited them to rediscover the path to full commuion. Meaning they are NOT in full communion with the Church.
His successor has confirmed this. Pope Francis, in his Apostolic Letter, "Misericordia Et Misera" wrote (while extending the faculty to absolve sin), "For the pastoral benefit of these faithful, and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with God’s help for the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church, I have personally decided to extend this faculty beyond the Jubilee Year."
When the current pontiff hopes SSPX priests will strive for "the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church" then he acknowledges they do NOT have full communion in the Catholic Church" right now.
since they possess ordinary faculties to hear confessions "given by the Pope himself."
Sacraments administered by the schismatic orthodox are valid, but that doesn't change the fact they're still schismatics.

DJRESQ

"Sacraments administered by the schismatic orthodox are valid, but that doesn't change the fact they're still schismatics."
You are attempting to hold two contrary positions at the same time.
Can. 966 §1. The valid absolution of sins requires that the minister have, in addition to the power of orders, the faculty of exercising it for the faithful to whom he imparts absolution.
Speaking of the eastern churches separated from the Catholic Church, Unitatis Redintegratio #15 states, in pertinent part: "These churches, although separated from us, possess true sacraments, above all by apostolic succession, the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are linked with us in closest intimacy."
By insinuating that priests of the SSPX are schismatic, you are implictly stating that the marriages they witness are valid and the absolutions they give are valid. If that is so, then they don't need faculties from a bishop or the pope. Therefore, according to you, Pope Francis' granting of faculties was a useless act, as their sacraments are already valid.
However, if they are not schismatic, they require faculties for the valid absolution of sins, as canon 966 attests, which is why the pope extended faculties to them.
From Misericordia et Misera, #12, of Pope Francis: "For the Jubilee Year I had also granted that those faithful who, for various reasons, attend churches officiated by the priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, can validly and licitly receive the sacramental absolution of their sins."
Either the SSPX is schismatic and they don't need faculties because, like the Orthodox, their absolutions are valid, or they are not schismatic and they need faculties to give absolution validly.
It's either one or the other. Can't have it both ways.

DJRESQ

Correction to above: "implicitly."

Tesa

Here is the holy man.

John A Cassani

To Archbishop Lefebvre’s comment, any good priest will tell you that the promise of obedience requires the greatest struggle.