Lay Association Makes Public Appeal to Correct Francis
The international association Veri Catholici published on November 9 a one-page ad in the Roman edition of Il Giornale.
It calls on cardinals and bishops “to canonically rebuke Jorge Mario Bergoglio, to assess whether his election was valid, that is to say, to examine whether he was Catholic before he was elected or whether he is now in schism with the Catholic Church”.
The appeal refers especially to Amoris Laetitia. The group was originally founded to resist the errors of German Cardinal Walter Kasper.
Klaus Gamber How do you define Conciliarism? And please cite my specific opinions that you consider identical to Conciliarism. Also what are the similarities of the present situation you consider to be analogous to the Western schism?
Dr Stuart Reiss I'm aware lay people lack juridical authority and have only canon 212 to act in accordance with. Therefore, they can plea Hierarchy "pro bono Ecclesiae" in case a Churchmen commits crimes of heresy. Private opinions have only informative value. For exmaple "The Filialis correctio"which I trust has also motivated Veri Catholici to act. As for canonic viewpoint when dealing with a heretical pope I agree that such a pope should be judged, warned and declared as heretic by perfect or imperfect Council. He is separated from the Church by "declaratio" when proven guilty of the crime. Not by private opinions or authoritative decisions since he is the supreme legislator. I recommend the interpretation of St. John of St. Thomas,[read more] considered to be a "brilliant professor of Scholastic theology and philosophy."
Dr Stuart Reiss I have managed to save some of your comments (see one of many below) which reflect your "excellent" language skills and "great" ecclesiological knowledge. I will leave you with the following words for today: "Medice, cura te ipsum." SD Bishop Calls on Catholics to Protest Trump "I think perhaps the faithful should protest idiot bishops like this who are not even elected to their positions. I say bring in elections for Bishop's and the Pope. And kick them out every four years." Like More Dr Stuart Reiss 21 Feb No comment
Dr Stuart Reiss theological/ canonical debates were a norm throughout Church history except in times of censorship when CC was occupied by heretics... This is not modern game of win or lose but to establish truth which gives polemics the diametrically different purpose.
Dr Stuart Reiss I don't doubt Brother Thom has apolegitical skills to debate anyone. Please show some humility and respect for adversaries by providing arguments instead of opinions....
Dr Stuart Reiss There are other theological positions and opinions which you should respect. The facts show that Pope Benedict XVI is still the Pope while Magisterium excludes the possibility of being two popes. Please be more tolerant and open to other views and be able to argument otherwise truth will not be established "pro bono Ecclasiae" which I reckon we all want.
Rafał_Ovile Benedict is not the first Pope to resign. No one but God can know who has and hasn't rejected by their free will the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. You missed my central point: this crowd is asking for something that does not exist, i.e. a canonical method for rebuking a Pope.
BrTomFordeOFMCap False conclusion because the Holy Spirit - God - does not contradict Himself. Therefore if Cardinals reject by their free will the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to choose a particular candidate best for the Church then Holy Spirit can not be forced to work with "whomever the Cardinals pick." Historic canonical tradition clearly shows elected anti-popes and those who greatly erred. Moreover, the Scripture prefigures such case that Holy Spirit certainly will not cooperate with chosen apostle Judas who by his own will chose the way to eternal perdition. P.S. Anyway present situation casus is unprecedented in Church history because of the institution of Pope Emeritus which makes pope Benedict XVI still a living valid Pope. ___________________________________________ " the Holy Spirit agrees to work with whomever the Cardinals pick"
Did they ask a canon lawyer for advice before they published this? There is no canonical method for rebuking a Pope. You rebuke him and put up with the consequences. Neither is there a way to check whether he was validly elected (I think they mean licitly). Is he bishop of Rome (his predecessor seems to think so)? If he is then he is the man whom the Holy Spirit has promised to work with i.e. the Pope. We may be deeply disturbed by the direction he's taken the Church in. (The Holy Spirit may also be deeply disturbed). Yet that does not make his election and his office invalid. The Church does not teach that the Holy Spirit picks the Pope only that the Holy Spirit agrees to work with whomever the Cardinals pick (providing he's 'valid'). This stuff does more harm than good.